Could Andrea take down Vanessa as best smoker???

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Could Andrea take down Vanessa as best smoker???

Post by smoke2max on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:56 pm

Helluva video from Andrea. But you have to give Vanessa credit for smoking so many years longer and keeping up like that. Vanessa is still the best at smoke-filled chest expansion. Those tits and that ribcage fills totally full with thick smoke. She must have black tar in every sac of her lungs.

Cant wait to see her take on Max 120s made by Newport.

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Post by sfet76 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:41 am

Difficult Question....and i really don't know the answer....they are both real heavy smokers..i like them both..the only different is that Vanessa is prettier than Andrea,but she compares it with her style...i call it a ty.

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Post by smurf on Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:02 am

Andrea is a chimney, so she deserves all my appreciation. But I prefer Vanessa because she is more beautiful than her and she is a chimney too.

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Difference of Opinion

Post by Eleuthero on Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:11 pm


Well, we all have our own unique views and sometimes we're with
the crowd and sometimes we're at odds with the crowd. If sheer
volume of exhaled smoke per video were my criterion for "best
video", Vanessa would win ... hands down. There's never NOT
smoke coming out of her mouth and/or nose.

However, if I may offer an "artistic" critique, I'd say that her STYLE
of smoking is rather monotonous. Same inhale sounds EVERY time.
Almost the same exhale sounds EVERY time. I have two Vanessa
videos and they are among the ones I watch the LEAST. Also, I
find her particular form of physical beauty to be rather a "standard"
kind of "hot". I think freckle-faced Kylie has a much more unique
kind of beauty. Jessi, whose gap-toothed look received much criticism,
has a really beautifully sculpted face and amazingly gorgeous melancholy
eyes. Raquel is just stunning but not just because she's PHYSICALLY
beautiful. There's something modest about her allure and her smile
in the bathroom of her latest video could light a house. Alazne's
girlish shyness is so adorable that it made her more delectable with
each passing minute.

All this is not to say that Vanessa is not a skillful smoker nor am I
saying she's not physically attractive. What I am saying is that sexual
allure is a complex thing and cannot be encapsulated in one word or
look. Just saying a girl is "hot" does not mean that a seemingly more
plain girl isn't "hotter" in a way that is hard to define. Sexual allure is
a great mystery.

As to the smoking, well, I suspect that there's a correlation between
the age of the viewer and the perception of whose smoking is "sexier".
I've worn out the Jen videos, the latest Raquel video, the Kylie video
(she has such SOFT lips), the Gwen tropical bikini video, the second
Jessi video, and the first and third Elaheh videos. I suspect that there
are many less vocal people on SS who just buy the non-consensus vids
and don't post on the forum ... ever.

However, minority viewpoints are often good to hear because they can
sometimes express nuances that are overlooked.

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Eye of the Beholder.

Post by Eleuthero on Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:40 pm

smurf wrote:Andrea is a chimney, so she deserves all my appreciation. But I prefer Vanessa because she is more beautiful than her and she is a chimney too.

You know the old quote, Smurf, about beauty being "in the eye of the
beholder", yes? When Andrea's hair is down instead of tied back,
suddenly she achieves this really sexy "girl next door" look. When
Vanessa's hair is tied back, I find her look to be just a tad too "hard".
She looks "vampy" which is mega-sexy to some, especially, I think,
to younger males. Us old farts (meaning ME) often find a "cuddly",
shy, understated look more sexy.

There is no "I'm right and you're wrong" in such debates. Maybe it's
just my cantankerous nature but i often feel consensus "truths" often
overlook hidden jewels and nuances. Besides, there is no "truth" in
the idea of who is most beautiful, there is ONLY consensus. Many
times a consensus is correct but many times it's just dead wrong.

Is Vanessa that much prettier than Andrea?? Obviously, the nearly
unanimous opinion here on SS is that the answer to this question
is "yes". However, as I stated earlier, when Andrea's hair is down,
she suddenly attains a much softer and unique beauty. Fran just
made a new video of Andrea and her hair is often partly or fully
down. She sure looks yummy to me in those frames!!

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Re: Could Andrea take down Vanessa as best smoker???

Post by smurf on Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:30 am

I continue to prefer Vanessa but the new Andrea's clip is very tempting as I am a lover of extreme smoking scenes. I like her look and her breasts. It is easy to guess she drags hard. I must also say that cigarettes in her mouth suit her very well. It is incredible how much she got completely hooked on nicotine in the last three years. It is not common to find a woman who starts smoking late and becomes a chimney.

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Re: Could Andrea take down Vanessa as best smoker???

Post by Eleuthero on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:34 pm

smurf wrote:I continue to prefer Vanessa but the new Andrea's clip is very tempting as I am a lover of extreme smoking scenes. I like her look and her breasts. It is easy to guess she drags hard. I must also say that cigarettes in her mouth suit her very well. It is incredible how much she got completely hooked on nicotine in the last three years. It is not common to find a woman who starts smoking late and becomes a chimney.

I've certainly seen a lot of smoking variations in my life but I have *never* seen someone
go from a nonsmoker to a fiend when they started at nearly 30. Never. What's more,
Andrea in the latest video is smoking Chesterfield Kings which are stronger than Marl.
Reds. In the rare, rare cases where I've seen "late starters" (I've known a few who've
started at 23 or 24), they almost never choose heavy smokes. They choose lights.

I think Andrea's absolute BEST look is when she's got her hair COMPLETELY down because
it softens her look just about to "girl next door". The problem with the hair-tied-back look
for Andrea is that she has a rather long, narrow face, especially when she smokes which
always narrows the face further due to the "puckering" of inhaling. Hair strewn all about
her face tends to widen the appearance of her face and her hair is just plain beautiful ...
wavy, blonde, and wild.

I wish Fran would go with this look for an ENTIRE Andrea vid. It's undoubtedly her sexiest
look but I have a suspicion that Andrea, herself, is rather bitter about her divorce and has gone
from "good girl" to a mental state where she wants to be as BAAAAD as possible and Fran
tends to let the girls be what they want to be without choreographing everything.

That works well for some guys but I love soft, girlish looks (e.g. Raquel, Jen, Gwen) where
their nicotine fiendishness is a TOTAL contrast to their soft, innocent look. That contradiction
to me is as sexy as it gets. Different strokes for different folks, eh!? The "vamp" look just
doesn't do it for me. I also don't like metal in the face except for small diamonds in the
nose ... except for Elaheh whose "bull ring" in the nose didn't negate her soft sexiness at all.

However, if, as I suspect, the average buyers on this site are YOUNG men, it makes perfect
sense that they would go for the more "naughty girl" look. From a marketing perpective,
Fran is wise to have more vids for that sort of look because middle-aged guys like me are
likely to be the outliers rather than the mainstream on SS.

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You'll be a convert if you buy Andrea's new vid.

Post by Eleuthero on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:15 am

smurf wrote:I continue to prefer Vanessa but the new Andrea's clip is very tempting as I am a lover of extreme smoking scenes. I like her look and her breasts. It is easy to guess she drags hard. I must also say that cigarettes in her mouth suit her very well. It is incredible how much she got completely hooked on nicotine in the last three years. It is not common to find a woman who starts smoking late and becomes a chimney.

I'm a bit of a statistical fact nutcase and what you notice on
Andrea's new video is that she burns down her cigarettes
from light-up to nothing-but-filter in two-and-a-half minutes.
NOBODY but Valeria and Helen can compete with that pace.
The fiendishness is demonic yet so at odds with the placid
blue eyes, wavy blonde locks, and almost eerily calm
facial expression.

Andrea puts on one hell of a good show in her new video and
she's hugely sexy ... and I'm saying this as a "prude" who would
prefer fully-clothed models. Frankly, I hardly look at her bare
boobs because I'm too busy being amazed at the abuse to which
she subjects her lungs and I think she's VERY good looking. Her
smoking is astonishingly accomplished in its style given that
she's almost a beginner. Her nose-exhale-after-light-ups are
as good as Jen's. Andrea's wide, breathy exhales are sexy and
unique ... kind of her "signature". The fiendish first eight minutes
where she hardly breathes any air are unmatched on any video I've
seen on this site.

Andrea even outdoes ... HERSELF ... in the video because she has
about three bouts of absolutely convulsive, wet, hacking coughs. I
think her 50-a-day pace "in real life" just cannot be maintained. In
the meantime, there's no denying that she's a pro at putting on a
show.

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